Burnout In Business

This episode is a little different. A little more personal. A little more real.

We talk about burnout, not as a buzzword, but as something many founders quietly carry. The pressure, the responsibility, the constant giving of yourself to your biz, your team, and your clients, sometimes without realising how much it is taking from you. It is an honest conversation about what happens when strong people get tired, and why even the most passionate biz owners sometimes need to stop and breathe.

This episode also marks a big moment for us. Lethal Lee is stepping away from All In to follow her own next chapter. No drama, no fireworks, just deep respect, gratitude, and the kind of goodbye that comes when people have built something meaningful together. Lee has been part of the All In story, the laughs, the big ideas, the tough days, and the wins, and this conversation reflects on what it means to grow, to change, and to back each other even when paths start to look different.

It is about friendship. It is about courage. It is about knowing when to push forward and when to choose a different road.

If you have ever had to make a hard decision for your wellbeing, your future, or simply because it was time, this episode will land close to home. Sometimes the strongest move is not holding on. Sometimes it is letting go with gratitude and cheering each other on anyway.

Some chapters close. New ones begin. And the best partnerships are the ones that survive the page turn but don't worry, this podcast continues on ...

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:14

Burnout doesn't usually arrive with flashing lights and warning signs. It creeps in quietly through late nights, overcommitment, and the pressure to keep everything moving. In this episode, we're talking about what burnout really looks like in business, how to recognise it before you hit the wall, and what to do when the passion starts to feel like pressure. Hi Lee. Hi. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 0:37

Good.

The Year Everything Stacked Up

SPEAKER_03 0:39

Sort of. Do we start with I'm burnt out? Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm doing better, bit better now. Bit better now. So talk to me about your last year. Where have you been in biz?

SPEAKER_01 0:52

Uh very, very busy. Yeah. Um yeah. It's been a a challenging kind of a year. Um all sorts of different reasons.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

I'll give some personal context. I've had to step out of the business for oh gosh.

SPEAKER_02 1:07

How long was it over a year? I think. Sixteen months, maybe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12

And so in that time, my Lethal A has stepped in to literally run the show. Um, but that causes lots of flow-on effects.

SPEAKER_01 1:23

And it wasn't just that, it was such a combination of things, like you had to step out unexpectedly, but we also had uh two people go on maternity leave at the same time, basically. Yeah. And then another person left not long after. And so at one point I think I was doing four people's jobs. I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:50

Which And look, to be honest, we're the best you've ever had. But I was doing it really well.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

Um but it's You're really well until And I think I said that at one point, you know, uh some someone said to me, How are you gonna keep doing this? I said, I'll keep doing it until I I get sick.

SPEAKER_03 2:07

Until I can't.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

Yeah. And I and that's what happened. Physically I had to stop. Yeah, you didn't mentally, but physically it it broke down as well.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Yeah. And so I guess you got to that point where yes, physically you were you were catching everything. Obviously, your little ones in childcare, that's uh a task in itself.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

I think I only took one holiday, like one lot of leave throughout all of 2025, and I spent the whole two weeks unwell. Yeah. Um, because your body just doesn't it's like, oh you're gonna rest now. And so it was just, you know, it wasn't even really a holiday because it's it just was a wasted sort of anyway, but that yeah, it just kept coming. But there was more other, I guess, physical signs. Um the guy struggled with a lot of um jaw pain and neck pain and just things that wouldn't wouldn't ordinarily be there. So your body was just telling you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:10

So what are the what are those warning signs? What are those triggers? Is it the physical? Do you you know how did you feel emotionally?

SPEAKER_01 3:17

Uh it's such a combination. Um there's lack of sleep. So So your sleep. Yeah, like I I didn't didn't sleep at night. I didn't sleep well. And even if I did think I slept well, I'd still be just absolutely exhausted. Like you'd wake up feeling like, hang on, I've had eight hours. Yeah. Why do I still feel yeah like this? So it's it's not good sleep, I I guess. And that's if I did get full eight hours, because most nights I would have been awake two to three hours during the night just thinking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:52

Just doing my best thinking at two o'clock in the morning.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

Minor shower thoughts.

SPEAKER_03 3:56

I I actually have this enormous ability to be able to sleep through anything, which is crazy. Yeah. Um, so that when I'm stressed out, that doesn't impact me, but it has a huge impact.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

Yeah, and that spreads um to other aspects of your life if you're not sleeping properly. Yeah. Um, but one of the ones I really started to notice towards the back end of 2025 um was um I was very on edge if and I explained it as I felt like I was a um a robot short circuiting. Right. If you touched me or you made a loud sound around me, and the loud sound one has remained a little bit, yeah. I feel like like I'll react like I've been shot kind of. Wow. Like it's really intense. Yeah, like and when you have a three-year-old who loves to touch you a lot, yeah, the very tactic and is very loud and might crash and bash around. Yeah, I I would just I like any kind of loud noise or any physical touch that I wasn't expecting would just send me into and I was like, what the hell? Like, why am I why am I feeling like that? And I've later learnt that that is a a burnout. It's your body or flight mode, and you're in flight mode, yeah. Um, and you just can't, yeah, it's like an overload, and yeah, you just can't deal with it, you can't regulate yourself properly. And so that was one that's been a big one where I'm just constantly like and so I'm one weekend, you know, the children were all over the shop, and it was just and I had a weekend where I you know I smashed something I wouldn't normally smash, I reversed a car into a fence and I just wouldn't have to do it. Things that you wouldn't normally do. Yeah, and I was just all over the shop, and um yeah, it was just a just and so I was really frustrated and why am I being so stupid? And it's just yeah, yeah, and I want that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 5:56

I want to give some clarity here. So Lee is one of the most put-together people I've ever met, and she has this huge um amount to take on. So she can take on a lot and just kind of cover it. But I I think what's happened is that you've just can like that overload has just been for so long that it's literally started to get to the point where you cannot control it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

No. Um and it can't it's a combo of stuff, right? I had I take on a like it was work, but then I have volunteer roles outside of work and I have a family and I have like even stuff like the house cleaner. We lost the house cleaner last year, which made a huge It's a huge difference. Like I rely on that, so then you know that that made a difference. Um it just all started sort of adding up and up and up and up, and then um we I knew it wasn't sustainable and my husband had pointed it out a lot because I I wasn't probably the the nicest person to live with because at work again you you put on the front, you we have to for clients and tell you you you you know you look like you've got it together and on the way front we were doing pretty well considering how short staffed we were. Yeah. Um I was reaching all the you know the targets still, getting all the reaching all the deadlines. Um so it was all going okay on that front. So it looked like, you know, yeah, things are ticking along. Yeah, all good, all good. It's like the duck on the surface, it looks like it's going okay, but it's just paddling in between. In at home, I wasn't a pleasant person, I suppose. And my husband kept saying, You you can't keep doing. You can't keep doing this, you can't do like you're gonna have to change something, something's gonna change. And I'm like, Yeah, wheel it, wheel it, wheel. And it didn't. And and it well it it does, but it doesn't. Um, I guess. So sometimes you get to the point of no return. You do. Um and I'm that person that we just keep taking more on because it can. I will. Whether I should or not, that's a different story. Which is a whole heap of boundaries, but you know, that's another that's another talk for another day. And I did I I guess, you know, if we're gonna talk what have I done.

The Duck Effect At Work

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SPEAKER_03 8:23

Yeah, that was my well, we'll go break, maybe. Yeah. First of all, I actually just want to clarify why we're talking about this. We're talking about this because it's something that we go through as individuals and we never talk about enough, right? So that's super important that we actually out that these things are happening, they're real, they happen to everybody. Um, that's why we're talking about it. But yes, we'll go to sponsors, and when we come back, we're going to talk through with Lee what she's doing about it. This episode is sponsored by Ignition, the software built for accountants by an accountant. Simplify proposals, automate billing and collections, and streamline your workflows. Save time, make money, get Ignition. Alright, we're back. The big one is, you know, we've kind of described how some people might feel that burnout looks like and it's real. Um I guess the most important thing is once you've recognised it, what do you do with it? And so take me through what you're doing about that late.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

Um, so like I said, we I had known for probably, you know, since mid-2025 that something had to change. I just couldn't quite reconcile what or how I was going to do that. And uh it's a funny like I said, on the surface it all looked okay, but then a client sat me down and said, You can't keep going like this, you have to do something. And I thought, oh, the people are saying it. Yeah. It's it's not just my family now. Yeah, I was like, oh crap, like be it's more obvious than I thought. Um, and if others can see it, yeah. And and I said, I think my response to her was well, that's not your problem, that's a main problem. Like, I'll continue to service you and I'll I'll have to deal that with that. Um, and like I said, my husband kept sort of going, You gotta deal with this, you gotta deal with this, we can't keep going like this. Um and I had a lot of internal conflict around loyalty um to um you know the business and to my clients um and I just had to I had about six months of just internal working through that, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 10:47

Like five stages of grief or something like that. A lot of the burnout was coming from a work perspective. It it was.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Um and no it's not just that like it is work, so this is from work, but wasn't just I had a really big workload. In accounting, after doing it for 20 years, it starts to I don't know, I I guess there's a lot of change happening in our industry, yeah. And some of it I don't think is for the better.

SPEAKER_03 11:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Are you talking like the AML stuff?

SPEAKER_03 11:25

Yeah, like there's a lot of compliance and a lot of red tape and the TPB stuff that's just coming through.

SPEAKER_01 11:31

Yeah, stuff we have to deal with that the clients don't see any value in. It's not a valuable service, um, it's just a a ticker box that the government wants, and they're pushing more and more burden onto accountants, which is a whole different subject, I guess. But it's tiring and it gets tiring, and and clients get angry. Yeah, yeah. And I don't know, we've we've talked about this before, I think. Yeah clients' behaviours after COVID.

SPEAKER_03 12:00

Oh, it has changed. There is there is definitely a different level of entitlement, and there's also margin pressure on an industry, there's it's hard to find team. Um, I think being in a professional practice right now is difficult. Like you've literally got a million things going on, and you're the it's like a pressure cooker.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

Yeah.

Why Accounting Burnout Is Rising

SPEAKER_03 12:19

Um, and you know, you have to have some level of joy um still in what you're doing, and that sometimes can be really difficult to find when you're literally in the quagmire, yeah, and you just do on the day-to-day.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

Yeah. Um, and so like I said, I and I I love All In Advisory, I love Allie. I love you too. Um, I love um my clients that I work with, um, but I couldn't do it anymore. So I I guess I'm leaving all in and I'm leaving Allie. I'm and the clients.

SPEAKER_03 12:59

I'm trying not to cry. I've known this for a while. It's this isn't new not happening on the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

Um yeah, and uh I rang Ali in just sobbing because I just I and like I said, I it took me six months to sort of get that I have to step out. And it's not I'm just leaving all in to go to another accounting firm. I'm actually leaving the industry all to not accounting, but I'm leaving accounting the professional profession practice because I it I'm tired, I guess is how it is. I'm just really, really tired.

SPEAKER_02 13:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

Um and the minute I made the decision, I got a little spark of energy in there. I thought, oh I can keep doing this, but no. No, I can't keep doing this. It um it's too much for where I'm at in my life. And you also have a family. Yeah, and I had to prioritize that. So um I just have to step back for a while. Um I'd um You know, take a I don't want to say a low pressure job, but a different job that will allow you space and time to think and process and develop and what's next, I guess, is like I'm um I'm actually so I'm I've already started my new job. I'm sort of straddling two jobs at the moment, but I am working, I have a passion for sports and sports administration, and I was lucky enough at the time where I was um the timing of it all, you know, I believe in sort of fate, and it came up right as I wanted it to. There was a a job in um the sports industry in South Australia. It's very rare for an accounting job to actually come up in that. It's four days a week, um, a bit less pressure cooker kind of role. Um, and it's giving me a chance to explore a passion of mine that's both accounting and sports, which is it's nice and and we'll see where it goes. But I always and I think the struggle I really had was I didn't want to go to another accounting firm. Um I was like it's the grass. And I can't so my husband kept going, you go to another firm. I was like, it's just gonna be the same, you know, same shit. Yeah, I know it is, it is different different name on the dog. Exactly right.

SPEAKER_03 15:23

And sometimes in that regard, it is better than W Know which.

Leaving The Firm Without Burning Bridges

SPEAKER_01 15:26

Like it'll just be worse because at least here I like you know, there is our good, there are definitely good aspects. Um, it'll just you know, the first six months might be like, whoo, this is really great. Um and part of it was I know, and I think I said this to you at the time, is even if we hired 20 new staff, my boundaries are such that Yeah, you'd step back in. I I wouldn't say I would just keep doing the same thing over and over again because I don't unfortunately I had set that expectation with clients as well. Um I hadn't set boundaries, which I've learnt I guess as a life lesson is that that that was on me. I I shouldn't have I shouldn't have given up as much as my of myself as I did. Yeah um and they I don't think appreciated it as much as I I I don't know that the relationship is always two ways two ways and I've been burnt on that and you know this, we've all been burnt on that before. Um but yeah, I just thought I don't think I can pull this back, knowing me, I don't think I can pull this back without making a bit of a drastic change.

SPEAKER_03 16:41

Yeah. And there's a few things I just want to say here. Some people might be screaming through there um listening to this thing. Why didn't Ali step in? Why didn't Ali do something? Um I want to say that I was in a position that I couldn't I No and I don't ultimately think whether I was in or out it would have mattered. Um and the second thing I want to say though is that I I've worked with Lee for over ten years and I everyone knows how much I adore her. And I think she's one of the most brilliant uh people I've ever met. And I I think as employers, when you have somebody like that, you know how special that is. And um but I'm also love her enough to say it's okay, and I want you to be okay, and you're more important than anything else, and so I want uh the best I can for Lee. So this is fully supported. I want nothing more than for Lee to find that joy again where she has that in her work and in her life. And so I think as employers, sometimes we can get really selfish, and I so I want to kind of call that out that I just you need to put the individual person before everything else, and you need to care about them and you need to care about what they're going to do moving forward, and so you need to help and support people in whatever journey they take, and understand that the journey that they are with you on doesn't mean forever, and it's you don't need to get offended, and you can 100% support that person into their next journey, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

And I I and it's a funny thing because I was so wound up in it all, and I was so like nervous, I guess, to talk to you about it. Knowing that that's how you've been with every other person, and that's exactly how I would have reacted as as well. And um it was still like, oh, I'm letting her down, I I and I'm disappointing her, I'm I'm you know, just at her hardest moment, I've just you just jumped shipped. Not at all, not at all. Um, and so there was a lot of guilt there, and that's so I think that's a a female I think so too. Um and so yeah, it I was like, I don't know why, given how I would have reacted to anyone else, I'm not sure why I expected anything.

Supporting People Over The Business

SPEAKER_03 19:20

And and the way that I see it is that all in wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for you, Lee. Yeah. And it's kind of like we birthed the baby together, right? But you you built the systems and the processes and the people, and yeah, I did some stuff. You got the client. But it's like an eight-year-old that's in year three that can kind of it's got it can kind of it can. It's got its own little Yeah, it can. And so, and I guess that's the beautiful thing that we can look at, look at and on is that's our story. Yeah. And you were such an integral part of that story, and I it wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for you.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

And and like I'm so proud of what we achieved, and I've learnt like so much over the time, and and I think we're kind of lamenting now, we're on to about season five of the journey where it's all changed.

SPEAKER_03 20:20

And there's no the only person left who's done it.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

Um yeah, it it's it's just been a very, I don't know, big hard thing to move through. Um, but I'm you know confident I've done that thing. You have you have. Um and then who knows where you end up, no one knows that. But you know, as part of it, I was always like, I and I've always believed this is you don't leave anywhere with bad no bad blood blood. You do it in a way that, you know, is responsible adult. Because you don't know and Adelaide, we're in Adelaide, it's a small market, you just don't know where that's gonna lead you. You don't burn a bridge. Um no, and so I've tried, you know, I made sure I kind of had all my ducks in a row. And you've been very respectful about it. Sure it was all okay and that we're gonna be okay, and um and uh people like people that I have have known, you know, my family and that that have known for a while, like I ain't been leaving. Why don't you just start a podcast? Because the podcast didn't because I'm not ready to let go that much. Like I don't have to keep coming back, the podcast will continue.

SPEAKER_03 21:34

There's so much business knowledge between us.

SPEAKER_01 21:36

I don't forget it as I walk out the door. Yeah, and so I was like, no, that's still my like I'm still passionate about it. Yeah, and I still need that, and it's just an out of the value that you can bring. Um it's just like, yeah, the day to day just needed a break.

SPEAKER_03 21:53

Um and if I can describe to people that don't kind of live in this industry, what Lee's been doing is kind of practice managing the business, but also. So she's been running our transactional, but also doing most of the transactional because we had someone on maternity leave. And before that, she was doing most of the compliance because we had someone on maternity leave before that.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

So and she did like for any accountants out there listening. I think I did the full year's compliance lodgement list with me and one senior. Yeah. And it it we're over we're over meal. And it was I don't, it was a real stick obsession. I got I think I said to you. I got so obsessed with how well I was doing. I was like, look at that profit. Gee whiz, if you drop four staff members, you can become really profitable. But you the reality is You can't live that way. Someone got sacrificed.

SPEAKER_03 22:45

You put yourself you put yourself on the sacrificial altar and and this is the thing I could guess.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

I could see it, but I couldn't change it. Well, and you know, you you come back to why didn't you do something? And I like I don't hold any I guess I don't hold any bad feelings to you because I know what you were going through and I know why it happened and I I it was just one of those perfect storms. Yeah. It was a perfect storm of just circumstance that was out of our control. Completely out of our control. Um you can't in a small business, you can't just suddenly replace people at the drop of a hat when they're coming back a bit later. Like that's not possible for you know, that's not possible for a smaller. You replace an owner as well. Or and an owner as well. I just can't go find a new one. Um but you can't do that. That's that's the reality of covering maternity leave for small business is is it causes problems?

SPEAKER_03 23:44

There are consequences for every decision, there's an action and an outcome, and you just have to be okay with that. And sometimes you can choose what they are, and sometimes you can circumvent it, and sometimes you cannot. And life sometimes has this way. And we had one of our prior episodes, you know, is can you have it all? Well, the reality is not at once and not all the time. No, um, and so there are and you know what, life happens, and unfair things happen and bad things happen, and things that you don't want to happen happen. And I think the lesson here is that you still, no matter what happens, have to find the positive in it. You still have to learn the lesson from it, but at all costs you must still value the person more than anything else. And that's about respect.

Asking For Help And Rebuilding Habits

SPEAKER_01 24:29

Yeah, it it's like I said, I've learned a lot, and I would do things differently. Um, I guess if I was to do it again, I I've learned to do things differently, but that that's why you go through these things is to learn and grow as a person. Yeah, and that's what I've done. Um yeah, my and and and and in saying that, you know, I say my husband struggled and you know was like I could see it. But a lot of my family couldn't necessarily my like my my poor mum, she was and and I'll give some context. So I said to my mum, we were driving along and I said, I can't wait to have my um to have my breakdown so I can go to hospital. She said, What do you mean? And I was like, I can't wait for that, for that moment where I can go to hospital for a week. Do they put you in hospital for burnout? And she was like, No, oh my god, you that's not cool. Like, yeah, and and I know my sister and my mum had a lot of conferences in the background going like what are we gonna do about Leigh? Yeah, how can we help her? Um, and then others when I've said how I was physically and emotionally feeling, they're like, Why didn't you say something? I was like, Well, that's not and my mum said something again, she goes, Oh, that's not her personality, she won't ask for help. Um, she'll accept it if you offer her, but she'll never ask you. And I thought, oh heck, oh god, is that me?

SPEAKER_03 25:57

No, but you know what? I you know, I I think sometimes the bluntness of that delivery sometimes helps you. Like I've been told a million times about certain things that I do. Yeah, you've told me a million times, yeah. And so I'm like, oh yeah, no, no, that's about right. Um and I think sometimes when you get that insight into yourself, it does help. And so I think you know, how do you deal with burnout? Like what it's different for everyone. It is, and you know, it I think it's about one recognizing it where you're at, two, reaching out for help where you can, and you did, even though it might have been later than what you would have liked, you did. Yeah, and then three, putting in place the things, even if they're hard, yeah, that you can do to put yourself back in the driver's seat, and whether that's stepping back for a bit, and look, my mine was most probably a level of burnout in a very different way. Yeah. But um it's and so those are some of the things that you can do. But I would definitely say to reach out for help, whether that be through professionals or family.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

Yeah, just talking to someone, yeah, and it happens. It does, and it I think it happens more than you would know. Yes. Um, I've I've since listened to podcasts and read some stuff about it.

SPEAKER_03 27:06

And this is why I think we wanted to kind of talk through the podcast and talk through this, because we don't want it to be silent anyway.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

It is something that and I like once I started looking into it, I was like, they're talking about the symptoms like tick, tick, tick, tick. Oh, okay. It is a thing, like it's actually a an illness almost. Like you you could and the recommendation is to go see your GP. I didn't do that. I uh well no, I did because I had to go see the GP many a time last year for whatever ailments I had, but not really around the mental side of how that was affecting me physically, yeah. Um, and I do remember someone saying to me, because I I think I had vertigo. Oh yeah, you did too. Uh and someone said, you know, it could be stress, and I laughed. Yeah. And I thought, yeah, you don't know the half of it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so yeah, just the physical side of what stress can do to you. Your body takes over. Yeah. Um, and you know, I'd stop stuff like exercise because when I was so busy I didn't have time. Well, I like didn't have time, but I was just exhausted constantly. And so that got put to the back burner, which then makes it worse. Yeah. Because for me, because all of the things that could be helping, yeah. Yeah, that's also a mental health relief. A hundred percent. Um, that just got you know, that got shelved, eating healthy got shelved because it you know, you get home and you're just tired and you can't.

SPEAKER_03 28:37

You're in survival mode, you're in survival, yeah. And in survival mode, your window of tolerance just declines to literally nothing.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Yeah, all of that stuff just went out the window. So I've I've been really making more conscious efforts. Um, even stuff like don't be so stressed about getting everywhere on time, don't worry if there's traffic. What are you gonna do? Like, but you know, that kind of stuff. Like, don't be in a rush to do everything, just calm yourself a little bit more. Yeah, um, because it it's just causing more and more stress and that fight or flight mode if you just you know constantly like, oh, I need to be here, I need to be there, I need to be doing this, I need to be that, just you know what?

SPEAKER_03 29:25

Just stop. And I'll just um expand. There's fight and flight, but there's also freeze and fawn. So just you might not be a fight and flight, but you might be a freezer as in you just you've got paralysis, or you might be a fauna as in a pleaser. And I think you're a bit of both, you're a bit of a fauna and a yeah, but um you have to recognise when those things are kind of there and reach out for help and I think that's it, just talking to someone, anyone really, that send us a message like if you don't if you want to chat, just chat.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

Yeah, um yeah, it it you can't do it on your own. Yeah, I mean you do have to you have to make the hard decisions in the end. Yeah. Um which for me was to take a break and try something new. Yeah. Um and I am proud of you for doing that. Yeah, I think I'm a bit proud of myself for making that decision. But also know I will miss you desperately. Well, that's why I have to come back and record the podcast.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

So this is the official uh resignation. Sorry guys, see ya. See ya, I wouldn't want to be here. Um but the podcast the podcast moves forward. And um, as always, I adore you, Lee. And you've you've known that from the moment I've met you, and we'll forever be that way. And I will forever be grateful for the little baby that we made.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

Yeah, it's it's you know, I I said to you the other day, can you not take my photo off the website?

SPEAKER_03 30:51

Can we have an original story? Do you know what? I I really did like that. We're gonna do an origin story and you can remain.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

Just the story of the founders so I can stay on them.

SPEAKER_03 31:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:01

So I was like, oh, that seems a bit too final for my life.

SPEAKER_03 31:04

Yeah. And I don't like that either because you're you're like you're part of the DNA and um it's not something that I want, I don't want it to end in those ways.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

And so I'll just keep your teams forever. I'll just someone said to me that I what are you gonna do in your emails? I think I'll just keep it. Yeah, just do it.

SPEAKER_03 31:23

I don't care. Um, so yes, uh, we're signing off on this one. We will be back for more episodes, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

This one was the the big mic drop moment.

SPEAKER_03 31:32

I know, and you know what, I didn't I didn't like there were a tear or two, but I got through.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

I got a if it was a month ago, I probably would have sobbed and moved enough. Yeah, yeah, you're onto the good stuff.

SPEAKER_03 31:42

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